Well since you have identified yourself as a former city officer (which means absolutely nothing to anyone but those that think they are legends in their own minds) you made my point. Whether you are former city or county or pig farmer it doesn't matter, it is what you produce as the president, which what I have seen is pretty poor. Don't put him on a pedestal just because he was LPD, I know many great former LPD officers that I would put before a large number of any JCPD guys as president. As a