Police chief to shake up patrol officers' shifts

Operation Turd is in effect. Have a few more news conferences to make yourself feel good.

It's going to be called "operation retire" because most everybody that has 20 on is gone.

Have your family and friends call their counsel people.

Late-watch here I come! I want to see my kids more than once a week!

The consultant report admit the staffing levels could be "unreasonably low" on page 27 but punted on what to do about it. It also didn't get much into saying what hours need coverage the most. The FOP should hire its own consultant to counter the Chief's consultant.

"Finally, it is important to note that the workload-based approach works best when a community responds to at least 15,000 citizen-generated calls per year. Otherwise, the time required for calls for service is so low that the number of officers recommended is far fewer than is thought reasonable. While this is generally not an issue in large communities, we do see some evidence of this problem in the LMPD analysis. For example, several divisions had fewer than 15,000 calls on the midnight shift, and as a result, the staffing estimates may be unreasonably low. It is important for the agency to utilize its institutional knowledge to address these anomalies."

I have insider knowledge that platoons are now going to 4 month tours working in different divisions. Divison Majors, admin, and detectives with stay in addigned Divisions. Everyone else will be rotating every 4 months. Resources will be allocated based on crime patterns. It will also decrease burn out, and put different eyes and propsectives in different areas to keep everybody on their toes. I heard this directly. It's happening!!!

I for one am overjoyed at the prospect of 12 hour shifts. Just imagine the opportunities and experience that can be enjoyed by having an 4 extra hour each day to be involved in situations like the one depicted above..........These certainly are "the salad days".

the word is already out its 12 hour days. they're just working out all the details now.

Why....just why do each of you allow the Chief, his staff and Mayor to undercut you? You are the ones who are going out daily keeping the city safe.

Do not settle... Shut down... Answer your calls for service and do not do any proactive, self initiated activity.

They need you more than you need them.

Cause they sign the pay checks. What other portions of common sense are you missing?

They will not lose everbody on latewatch....Someone WILL BE ASSIGNED. I see this as a huge dept. reorg and I bet everyone will be bidding on new shifts by seniority. So senior folks will get 8am to 8pm and the others will get 8pm to 8am......Gonna be a life changing schedule for many...either the all 8's or 12's.

One thing I did like about the independent study, is that it basically said that officers work an unusually high amount of details/special events. Maybe the chief and mayor will actually pay attention to this.

You cry babies remind me of my days working at GE. We had tons and tons of guys that were literally going to retire and walk out of the building millionaires but if you talked to them it was the worst job on the planet.

Getting paid double/triple time some days to clock in and find a place to sleep. Yeah you guys sold just like them. Poor babies you really should contact your congressman because this is an outrage.

Oh well you douche bags will always be there so be it. If you get a 2% raise then it should have been 4%, if it's 4% well this sucks it should have been 8%

It's your parents fault anyway. Stupid americono

Omg I can only imagine what's it's like to supervise you guys.

I bet someone stokes out every time they get picked for a hospital detail or civilian rider.

Whatever the COs make isn't enough

Read and be educated, HQ weenies http://www.policefoundation.org/content/the-shift-length-experiment

This whole shift length debate ignores that brighter minds than Conrad or his consultant have already researched the question thoroughly. 8 hour shifts have more drawbacks for officers and the department. Its disingenuous to mislead the public into thinking shift hour length changes will be any better at slowing the growth in the violent crime rate than renaming units in a shell game. These so called anticrime initiatives are a fraud. The administration and Mayor just do not consider it a priority and refuse to hire more officers. The citizens of this community have had the wool pulled over their eyes long enough.

Hey guys, me and my staff really are taking your comments into consideration. I feel honored to work with such fine officers. This city really is lucky.

-steve

http://www.wdrb.com/story/29184806/lmpd-to-triple-the-size-of-its-downtown-area-patrol

Who cares what they say behind your back. It's the LMPD way. I bet they talk behind your back too- probably worse than you think.

Chief C....Rehires! rehires!rehire! You can hand pick 20 retirees of your choice and they can be a rehire just like you... no insurance needed.

As a new officer I am very grateful to have this job. I understand that times are tough and I knew that coming in so this isn't news to me. To be honest it seems most of the whining is coming from the 5-10yr officers that feel like they are entitled to much more and they are somehow cheated everyday.

Just sayin'

Solid waste management is hiring! Why don't you cry babies carry your asses. Seriously, leave we don't want or need you.

It's not the new or veterans fault. It's the whining and negativity that's killing morale.

Then again I make the big bucks drinking coffee in the office while you're out in the rain taking your little 10/49's hahaha life is good

They would put it to a vote by members...12 hour or 8 hour shifts. I just hope the day work guys that don't want to be effected, pushes us over the edge to 8 hour shifts. Give me that 8p-8a Baby!

B. Shaw just got her job back. Gezz it really is impossible to get fired. Word is she'll be back to work next week

Well I'll tell you that the sample 12 hour schedule I've seen would give roughly 240 days off per year. If this comes down to something we vote on people would be stupid to vote for 8's versus 12's. We would work about an 84 hour week and get paid for 80 but 240 days off out of 365 makes it worth the trade.

I know what you are wanting someone to call you....you are trying way too hard!

Yall both dumb bums who couldn't get it correct with spell check. Did you orange is the only word in the English language that doesn't have a word to rhyme with it......and no syringe does not rhyme with orange. But four hands do.

I'm a *****

Next person that posts after me is a Betts boy toy. Just walk away it ain't worth it

http://www.nij.gov/topics/law-enforcement/officer-safety/stress-fatigue/pages/shift-work.aspx

10-Hour Shifts Offer Cost Savings and Other Benefits to Law Enforcement Agencies

Police executives can improve morale and reduce overtime costs by offering officers the option of working 10-hour shifts. Importantly, 10-hour shifts do not adversely affect performance, according to NIJ-funded research.

Most police departments have traditionally placed their patrol officers on a 40-hour workweek in which personnel work five consecutive 8-hour shifts, followed by two days off. In recent years, however, an increasing number of law enforcement agencies have moved to some variant of a compressed workweek. Some officers work four 10-hour shifts weekly or three 12-hour shifts (plus a time adjustment to make up the remaining 4 hours of the standard 40-hour workweek). While this trend has been moving apace, few, if any, rigorous scientific studies examining the advantages and disadvantages of these works schedules for officers and their agencies have been completed until now.

The researchers used the most rigorous scientific techniques available: a randomized controlled experiment. The NIJ-funded study was conducted by the Police Foundation.

Overview of the Findings: No Impact on Performance, but Important Impacts on Other Outcomes

The results revealed no significant differences between the three shift lengths on work performance, health or work-family conflict. There were, however, important differences for other outcomes. The 10-hour shift offered certain benefits not associated with 8-hour shifts, and 12-hour shifts had some disadvantages.

Sleep and Fatigue. Significant differences were found in the average amount of sleep officers got across the 8- 10- and 12-hour shifts, but there were no differences in the quality of sleep. Officers working 10-hour shifts averaged significantly more sleep than those working 8-hour shifts. Officers working 12-hour shifts reported greater levels of sleepiness and lower levels of alertness at work than those assigned to 8-hour shifts. Officers on 8-hour shifts averaged significantly less sleep per 24-hour period and worked significantly more overtime hours than those on 10- and 12-hour shifts.

A 10-hour shift may be a good alternative to the traditional 8-hour shift in larger agencies; however, caution is advised when considering 12-hour shifts because of increased levels of sleepiness and lower levels of alertness. Indeed, researchers have noted that people underestimate their levels of fatigue, so officers may be sleepier than they reported while working 12-hour shifts.

In addition, past research has shown increased risks for accidents with increasing number of hours worked. Consequently, caution should be exercised when agency executives consider adopting 12-hour shifts.

Quality of Life. Officers completed several self-report scales as measures of their perceived quality of personal life and work life. The analysis of their responses showed no significant differences among the three shifts on the quality of personal life, but in terms of the quality of work life, officers working 10-hour shifts reported significantly higher quality of work life than those on 8-hour shifts. Officers working the 8-hour shifts in both sites reported the lowest quality of work life. No quality of work life benefits came from the 12-hour shifts. This is consistent with past research in other workplaces showing that those on compressed work schedules tend to rate them favorably or have increased job involvement or satisfaction.

Job Performance. The study focused on factors that are important in police performance, including interpersonal performance, driving safety, shooting performance and self-initiated activity. For all of these measures, there were no statistically significant differences across shift length groups.

The researchers collected departmental data and performance data from simulators to assess officer performance on each of the three shifts.

With regard to self-initiated activities, such as traffic stops and reports completed, some past studies in nursing showed a reduced work effort and a decrease in activities for people on 12-hours shifts. However, in this study, shift length had no impact on the number or quality of police self-initiated activities.

Impact on overtime. The most surprising finding was the reduced overtime of those working 10-hour shifts. This suggests a potential cost saving for agencies that offer alternative work schedules, especially 10-hour shifts in which officers worked an average of 4.78 hours less per two-week period than those on eight-hour shifts.

Officers on 8-hour shifts worked significantly more overtime (more than five times as much as those on 10-hour shifts, and more than three times as much as those on 12-hour shifts). The reduced levels of overtime for those working longer shifts suggest the possibility for cost savings for agencies that use compressed schedules. These findings are consistent with many past studies, but no past study used the randomized controlled trial techniques used in this study and thus seem to have had limited acceptance.

(4) Sgts to a platoon! That's crazy but I do like the a/b schedule

His name should be "D. Tail"

LOUISVILLE, KY. (WDRB) -- Kroger has teamed up with LMPD to put a new four-legged officer on the streets. The Kroger Company donated $5,000 toward the purchase of a new K-9 -- a Belgian Malinois from the Netherlands. Kroger customers will get to name the dog in a three-day social media contest that will take place on Kroger's Facebook page starting Monday afternoon.

On a 8 hour shift you will work 260 days a year. With a 12 hour shift with one 8 hour day every other week (to even out a 80 hr pay period) you will work 182 days...The difference being 78 days. So a 12 hour shift will give you 78 more days off a year than working 8's...That's over 2 1/2 months more being off...

I really liked the A/B schedule. I wonder if that is being considered.

Nope...he'll be appealing his termination soon. He will lose 25 pounds from the stress of being fired. He will then look back and realize how his behavior cost him his career.

Indianapolis Police Department

Human Resources Office

200 E. Washington Street

Suite T1541

Indianapolis, Indiana 46204

Office: (317) 327-5211

Job Line: (317) 327-3368

2013 - Salary Schedule

Probationary Officer - $39,446 (Pay begins at start of Academy)

2nd Year Patrol Officer - $47,651

3rd Year Patrol Officer - $60,967

Other Benefits

Take home car

College incentive pay, up to a maximum of $1,250 for a Masters Degree, $1,000 for a BA or BS degree from a college accredited by MSA, NEASC, NCA, NASC, SACS, or WASC

Overtime pay (as available) at 1 1/2 the officer's hourly base salary rate

Vacation leave

Sick leave at 90 calendar days annually

Insurance (health, life, dental) available

Pension plan under the Public Employees Retirement Fund created in 1977 and administered by the state of Indiana

Voluntary deferred compensation plan

pls stop with the rants and juvie anger please. we MUST stick together on this. Please just think about what I am saying.

This can't be the way officers talk to one another. If so, you all are a bigger threat to each other, than the public is to you and that's some scary s$&@.

The FOP should hold a confidence or no-confidence vote for the administration and commnicate the results to the public. I only see this place getting worse and worse morale every day and the safety of the public being jeopardized by it. If this Chief doesn't have what it takes to rebuild the department then the officers should communicate that. The Chiefs job here is a lot more difficult than being second fiddle on LPD or in community relations or some small city in Arizona. They should find someone with a proven track record as a Chief instead of a Louisville politician's style. That is not the leadership this department needs. This site shows how pitted officers have gotten against each other.

http://www.wdrb.com/story/29223513/lmpd-shares-body-camera-details-with-public

The River City FOP is not a strong union.

Do you all think most will vote for 12's or 8's?

I don't know. It seems some older officers are scared and afraid of the unknown. They have worked 8's and are familiar with them. 12's could be great, but some just aren't sure of their capabilities. Then there are some people that only identify themselves as police officers, it is there whole life; they look at 12's and say, " I'd rather put the uniform on 80 more times a year with 8's" It's sad really, its there whole life. I hope we vote 12's...if they don't work it will be changed. If we vote 8's...it will be that way for next 20 years. Why not give 12's a chance? You might be pleasantly surprised!

Louisville is in NO WAY prepared for what happened in MO, Baltimore or any other city with riots.. There is zero field force training for the VAST majority of the dept...Only a riot helmet for the VAST majority of the dept... NO neck protectors, NO chest, arm or shin protectors... ZERO ZIP ZILCH NOTTA.... SRT WILL NOT CUT IT for incidents of that nature. Every American city is one controversial death away from it too. Our city would burn....cops will be hurt and no lesssons have been learned by Louisville PD or Mayors office. Its scary to be a cop with no training and no leadership

http://www.policeone.com/baltimore/articles/8561593-Baltimore-police-union-asks-for-emails-texts-to-investigate-officer-injuries-after-riots

How soon will the order come out to not follow dopers from the needle exchange to their dealers. Or running tags in the parking lot looking for 10-85s. Way to spend money out the retirement system dummocrats.

Alright, so when this comes to a vote everybody vote for 12's. You literally get off days like half of the year. Remember vote 12's.....GO TEAM!!!

I'm conducting a Scientific poll, please respond with an 8 or a 12...nothing else.

This kind of bulls-t shows how imcompetent the department is at broadcasting crime info to the public. They had a witness, but gave no description of the suspects. The department is usually too afraid of offending the rabblerouser activists by giving a description. It might stigmatize somebody. Don't tell me Conrad had improved anything since he got here. Thats a lie.

http://www.whas11.com/story/news/local/community/2015/06/05/16th-street-and-northwestern-parkway-in-the-portland-neighborhood-homeless-man/28562575/

I didn't reply as to not screw up your poll. I'm just curious what your margin for error is and how do prevent the same guy from voting for the same choice multiple times and "fixing" the outcome?

These Off-Duty wh*res, are trying to start false rumors, and sabotage 12's...You're still going to be able to pay for that boat you never use...Plenty more days off to work off-duty. Trust me the majority of people don't care about your sweet little off duty gig. I know you don't have any self worth, and only feel important when you get to wear the uniform, and you dread thinking about only getting to wear it only half of the year...sorry the rest of like a little time away from the job. Vote 12!

http://cops.usdoj.gov/html/dispatch/04-2013/shift_scheduling.asp

Shift Scheduling May be Key to Improving Health and Cutting Costs

Community policing requires alert, well-rested officers who engage their communities in positive ways, and there may be things agencies can do to help reduce fatigue, improve officers’ quality of life at work, and more efficiently allocate resources. A recent experiment conducted in Arlington, Texas, and Detroit, Michigan, by researchers at the Police Foundation (Amendola, Weisburd, et al. 2011) demonstrated that officers who worked four 10-hour days followed by three days off averaged significantly more sleep than those working 8-hour shifts—actually gaining nearly 185 hours of sleep (the equivalent of 23[1] additional nights annually). In addition, these officers worked 80 percent less overtime on the job, potentially resulting in a cost savings to the department and a potential cost savings in terms of improved health possibly due to the increase in hours slept.

While many agencies have maintained the traditional five day, 40-hour week, a recent survey showed a trend away from this schedule. In 2005, 40 percent of agencies reported running 8-hour shifts, but by 2009, that number had dropped to 29 percent. Although many law enforcement agencies rely on 8-hour schedules, a 10-hour schedule can be a viable alternative to consider as it is likely to improve officers’ reported quality of work life, while increasing the hours officers sleep and reducing overtime costs. Nevertheless, agencies need to carefully consider how they might implement a 10-hour shift, taking into consideration the overall hours worked per year and maximizing the additional six hours per day introduced with each of three shifts working two extra hours.

Schedules that include four-on followed by four-off actually result in less overall hours worked in a year, and as a result, increase agency costs when considering overall hours worked. Remedies such as requiring officers to come in on days off for training, or other strategies, may address this concern. A fixed four-on, three-off schedule eliminates that concern, although it can create periods in which there are more officers than necessary. Therefore, agencies must take into consideration when their peak demand periods are, when they need increased staff, and how to sufficiently cover the fifth day, as officers are working one day less per week. When considering three shifts per day, the agency has an overlap during the six additional hours (24 hours versus 30 hours). These overlaps can be used to an agency’s advantage for increased field staffing at peak demand periods, or additional time for completion of reports or training, if it can be accommodated in an efficient manner.

When considering strategies to improve efficiency and cut costs, many agencies have considered reducing shifts to just two per day, requiring 12-hour shifts[2]. However, the purported cost savings may not be worth it if increased fatigue is the result. The Police Foundation study showed that those working 12-hour shifts reported lower levels of alertness at work and increased sleepiness, although these did not translate to worsened performance or other negative outcomes. Other studies have demonstrated negative health and safety consequences in other industries. The experimental study by the Police Foundation showed that other than a reduction in overtime, the benefits from the 10-hour shifts were not experienced by those on 12-hour shifts. Furthermore, as with the 10-hour shift, agencies need to consider how to schedule the 12-hour shift so as to comply with the contract, typically a 40-hour work week. In some agencies, officers work three 12-hour shifts in week one, followed by the same schedule in week two, but with a fourth 8-hour day tacked on every other week. This also can present complications in terms of staffing coverage at key times and how to best allocate personnel.

Another important consideration is the extent to which various individuals can cope with schedule changes, such as longer days and the potential health outcomes. Past research has indicated that age or certain health conditions may influence resiliency and coping with longer work hours. As a result, any scheduling strategy should include a consideration of policies on maximum hours worked per shift and per week inclusive of both overtime and off-duty employment.

Many agencies are experiencing cost reductions and budget shortages. Community policing presents cost efficient approaches to preventing and solving crime, as well as opportunities for increasing public confidence and reducing fear in communities. Law enforcement agencies can use scheduling practices as a means to improve efficiency and cost effectiveness, while at the same time improving the quality of life and health of their officers. Ultimately these improvements are likely to result in long run cost reductions as well (reduced sick leave, health-related problems, accidents and injuries, etc.), not to mention monetary savings from overtime paid. While reduced overtime saves money in the short run, it is likely to contribute to longer-term reductions in health care costs and increased safety.

The study of shift length provides important information for law enforcement leaders (management and union), as well as other policy makers, to consider when examining the most efficient and effective practices in their agencies. While many issues in policing seem to threaten management prerogatives or union protections, the issue of how scheduling occurs is one in which both have a solid vested interest, particularly as it relates to the health, safety, and welfare of officers, as well as the efficient use of resources. Perhaps the most important result of carefully thought through scheduling practices is the ultimate safety and security of community residents.

Maybe I am slow, but how exactly does 12 factor into 80? Or 40? Are you willing to take an 8 hour cut in your check because I'm pretty sure the city isn't going to pay everybody 4 hours of O.T on each check. Also, are we going to get a bump in vacation accrual per check?Because if you go to 12's a v-day is gunna cost 1 1/2 times what it does now. If you sleep for 8 hours per day then your 12 hour shift plus say a minimum of 1 1/2 hours each way to work (driving,shower,eat , etc) that leaves you a whole hour for whatever day you work to see your spouse, kids, significant other etc...doesn't add up for me but like I said earlier, maybe I'm just slow

Why is no newscaster calling this a hate crime or even saying three black men assaulted a homeless white man?

http://www.wdrb.com/story/29264161/police-arrest-three-in-connection-with-brutal-beating-of-homeless-man-in-louisville

I find it humurous the people who say 12 hours are dangerous are the ones that work massive off duty after regular shifts!

Preview of 12 hour shifts.

http://www.wave3.com/story/29292226/12-hour-shifts-lmpd-chief-plans-schedule-shakeup-for-officers

Lucky your not dead.

Just talked to my boy on the LTs list and there is a freeze on the list. Something about seniority it has nothing to do with them cutting slots. It looks that there might NOT be any Harry Potter magic after all so that certain someone most likely isn't going to be made after all. That list is deaf

Guys please vote for 8's! I don't like change. I'm a senior officer, so listen to me!!! I've worked 8's on 6-2 and I lived. I'm nervous about 12 hours, I might die. If we go to 12's I might lose my cushy off duty gig. I usually work my 10 hour shift and then go work an additional 6-8 hours of off duty, after my shift. I will lose money and won't be able to keep my bass boat, and pay to take my wife and my girlfriend out...I could only keep one. 12's are unsafe! That is too long to work. We must stay sharp and vigilant. 10 hours we can stay sharp. Nobody has business working 12 hours...just way too dangerous. Please think about me before you vote!

Kenton Buckner... Oops!

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/06/11/little-rock-police-chief-reprimanded-for-losing-handgun/

Every picture tells a story....

http://www.wave3.com/story/29308378/reward-offered-in-shooting-of-9-year-old