>>Ive had a former Chief as a college professor and have to talked to over 75 officers individually and every one of them either had nothing good to say about this man or outright hated him..... Are you talking about White or the former Chief who was your professor? And what's the difference between "had nothing good to say" or "outright hated him"? Over 75 officers, eh? That's a random number. PS, If you're talking about Carcara as your professor, you should have worded your post better so it didn't