Exactly, that is a feeble excuse and that ship has sailed. Everyone knows why people are quitting, embarrassed and morale are the key factors. Exit interviews???? Since when, and given his history he is not doing them, that is beneath him and he personally does not want to know the truth so getting his majors are telling him it's not us, it's the pension. But...explain the 20 or more a year that leave for smaller departments and less money. Explain the ones that just quit. They are demoralized.